JJS
Pardon my poor choice of words I guess I could have said closet fag are closet gay are a person that putts from the ruff.
And thanks for your reply.
dont you think that it is stupid when you hear the dubs say that all appointments are made by the jehovahs holy spirit?.
how many times have you heard of elders/ms etc.
that were commiting all sorts of wrong doings while at the same time serving and passing judgement on others.. i remember when i was appointed ms there was a brother that was appointed at the same time, that accepted the assignment and served for almost a year before they found out he was commiting adultery all the while.. then you have the pedophiles that operate within the congregation some being elders etc.. i know for a fact that i could be a fornicator/drug user/closet queer/ are anything bad and keep it secret and i could move up the ranks as high as i pleased.. hell i could even be a undercover apostate/fornicator/all of the above and still get appointed if i kissed enough ass.. i could pioneer and lie about the hours,they would never figure it out.
JJS
Pardon my poor choice of words I guess I could have said closet fag are closet gay are a person that putts from the ruff.
And thanks for your reply.
adam and eve.
most people are probably familiar with the story of adam and eve in the garden of eden.
also, most people consider it to be just a story.
JWinSf
I cannot figure out for the life of me why people keep refering back to the JW answer, who cares about there answers? I do not believe anything that comes from that bunch anymore.
They are a very un-reliable source if you are searching for truth, all they will give you is there text book answers.
Thanks for your reply.
Teddy Pendergrass I think was one.
Tejano star Selena was a Witness; she even had a Witness funeral down here in Corpus Christi TX.
I am so happy the Society has changed its view on trick or treating.
You can do it as long as you place magazines at the same time.
why you shouldn't be a christian?
by steven morris, ph.d. .
los angeles harbor college, .
Why You Shouldn't Be A Christian?
by Steven Morris, Ph.D.
Los Angeles Harbor College,
Wilmington, CA
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Many Christians assume that "morality" and "Christian morality" are the same thing, and that the Bible contains clear moral guidelines that only savages could disagree with. Fundamentalists insist that every word of the Bible is literally true, and the Christian Right wants to rewrite this country's Constitution and its laws to make America a Christian nation based on the Bible. Yet few Christians actually read the Bible. Instead, they let ministers and money-hungry evangelists selectively quote the Bible to their own advantage, ignoring the many absurdities, atrocities and historical falsehoods that the Bible contains. Before you let others make up your mind for you, read what the Bible really says:
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
Would you worship a god who creates evil?
The Lord will be terrible unto them: for he will famish all the gods of the earth; Zephaniah 2:11
The Bible itself says that there are many gods, not just Jehovah!
This is polytheism; do you believe it?
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, ... and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven ... This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Matthew 24:29,30,34
That generation passed away centuries ago. Jesus made a false prophecy, making him a false prophet, and the Bible forbids you from following a false prophet. And how can the stars fall from the sky? Our ignorant ancestors thought the stars were little lamps hanging from the firmament, but how could this alleged god not know the truth?
And he (Jesus) said ... these signs shall follow them that believe ... if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16:15,17,18
Jesus was wrong! Believers are just as susceptible to poison as anybody else, and the hospitals are full. Christians are willing enough to waste your time and take your money, but not one of them can
pass the test their own god set for them.
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26
Are you willing to hate your wife, or be hated by your husband? Are these traditional family values?
And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, Matthew 1:16
Jesus ... the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, Luke 3:23
Joseph had two fathers? One of these two statements has to be a lie. If the New Testament cannot be trusted in something this simple, it cannot be trusted at all.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven:
Matthew 5:12 - But according to Ecclesiastes 9:5, "the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward".
Is there an afterlife? As usual, the Bible's answer is yes, and no.
Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. Psalms 146:3
"Son of man" was Jesus' most frequently-used title for himself. Here we have the Old Testament warning us not to trust the central character of the New Testament!
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; Matthew 6:6
If Christians won't obey Jesus, then neither should you.
To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: ... A time to kill, and a time to heal; Ecclesiastes 3:1,3
Yet "Thou shalt not kill", Exodus 20:13!
On this crucial issue the Bible is self-contradictory, and useless as a guide to action.
Therefore thou shalt love the Lord thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway. Deuteronomy 11:1
No exceptions, and that includes not eating pork! Would you keep the two statutes given below?
When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her. Deuteronomy 25:11,12
A woman coming to the aid of her husband must be brutally mutilated. Do you agree, or will you let others pick and choose what to believe, and let them demand that you obey their selections?
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man hath lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, Deuteronomy 22:28,29
A woman is forced to marry her rapist! Is that moral?
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 1 Timothy 2:12
If the Christian Right succeeds in forcing Biblical laws upon America, this passage will relegate women to the most menial, bottom-of-the-
ladder jobs.
Then the Lord said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of naught, and the deceit of their heart. Jeremiah 14:14
Twenty-one of the thirty-nine Old Testament books were written by prophets, who we are told can¹t be trusted!
Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, ... and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up. 2 Kings 15:16
Menahem was a king of Israel! Can the pro-lifers explain the morality of this?
And David ... brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes. Even so dealt David with all the cities of the children of Ammon. 1 Chronicles 20:2,3 - Saws are not weapons of war, but instruments of torture, used in the genocide of the Ammonites. Yet: "David did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord ... save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite", 1Kings 15:5.
Are you willing to accept torture and genocide as moral behavior?
Melchisedec, ... Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Hebrews 7: 1,3
Here is a man who was never born, and can never die! Show him to us, or admit that your Bible contains nonsense.
Hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you? Isaiah 36:12
Where are the book-burners? Let the Christians first clean up the violence and filth of their own "Good" Book, before complaining about the books and movies that you have the freedom to enjoy.
some questions for the believer!.
1) how would you define god, and why are you so convinced that there is one?
2) if everything needs a creator, then who or what created god?
SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE BELIEVER!
1) How would you define God, and why are you so convinced that there is one?
2) If everything needs a creator, then who or what created God?
3) How can something that cannot be described be said to exist?
4) Since there are countless religions in the world today claiming to be the one true religion, why do you think yours is truer than theirs?
5) Can more than one of these religions be right?
6) If you feel in your heart that your religion is the right one, how do you answer those of other faiths who claim the same thing?
7) How do you settle the debate and find out which of these religions, if any, is the right one?
8) Why does God allow all these false religions to exist?
9) Is the bloody history of Christianity consistent with what is supposed to be a religion of love, or does it simply illustrate the consequences of abandoning reason for faith?
10) If everything is the product of a grand design by an omniscient, benevolent designer, why is the history of life a record of horrible suffering, blundering waste, and miserable failures? Why does this God go through billions of years of such carnage without yet arriving at His goal?
11) Why did God intervene so many times in human affairs during antiquity (according to the Bible) and yet not do anything during the Holocaust of the Second World War?
12) Why should one¹s inner convictions about the existence of God indicate that He/She/They/It exists outside of that person¹s mind?
13) Can a God who would abandon His children when they needed him the most still be considered all good?
14) If something is not rational, should it be believed anyway?
15) If the God of the Bible is all good, why does He himself say that He created evil? (Isaiah 45:7)
16) Is there a better way than reason to acquire knowledge and truth?
17) If you would answer #16 with faith, then why are there so many contradictory faiths in the world?
18) Is comfort more important to you than intellectual integrity?
19) What would it take to convince you that you are wrong?
20) If nothing can convince you that you are wrong, then why should your faith be considered anything other than a cult?
21) If an atheist lives a decent, moral life, why should a loving, compassionate God care whether or not we believe in Him/Her/It?
22) Why do so many religious people thank God when they survive a disaster, yet fail to be angry with him for causing the disaster in the first place?
23) If you demand that the atheist disprove the Judeo-Christian God, are you prepared to disprove the existence of Zeus, Odin, Ra and all the other ancient gods and goddesses?
24) Why is the number of atheists in prisons disproportionally much smaller than their numbers in the general population?
25) Is the brutal, vengeful and bloodthirsty God as depicted in the Old Testament still a loving God?
26) Should any religion that demands we elevate faith over reason be trusted?
27) How can the same God that, according to the Old Testament, killed everybody on Earth except for eight people be considered as anything other than evil?
28) Is the acceptance of religious mysticism, magic and miracles consistent with our understanding of good mental health?
29) Must we hate our families and ourselves in order to be good Christians? (Luke 14:26)
30) Since the ancient world abounded with tales of resurrected Savior-Gods that were supposed to have returned from the dead to save humanity, why is the Jesus myth any truer than all the others?
31) If the Bible is the standard for morality, why does it not forbid slavery and war?
32) If the Bible is the inerrant word of God, why does it contain so many factual errors, such as the two contradictory accounts of Creation in Genesis?
33) Why isn¹t the Bible written in a straightforward way that leaves no doubt about what it means?
34) The last time Christianity attained total power, it resulted in the Dark Ages, so why should we expect anything different from Christian fundamentalists today?
35) Has anyone ever been killed in the name of atheism?
36) Why does history show that every time a fundamentalist religion has gained power, tyranny and persecutions have soon followed?
darwin's views on religion.
by al seckel and john edwards.
founders of modern science.
Darwin's Views On Religion
by Al Seckel and John Edwards
The genius of Charles Darwin (1809-1882) is well-established, for he was one of the primary
founders of modern science. His ideas changed the world-view of human and animal origins. His influence is now prominent in biology, sociology, philosophy and theology. Until recently, many of his views on religion were suppressed.
In his old age Darwin wrote down his recollections for his own amusement and for his children.
This Autobiography was first published in 1887 (posthumously) as part of Life and Letters of Charles Darwin. His wife Emma and his son Francis edited the book and omitted Darwin's more
unorthodox thoughts on religion for fear of causing offense and injuring his reputation.
It was not until 1958 that Nora Barlow, Darwin's granddaughter, published a revised edition of
the Autobiography containing all of the previous omissions. This leaflet contains quotations from
his Autobiography which reveal valuable insights he gained during his life and his work on the
most important principle in biology.
Evolving Disbelief
"Whilst on board the Beagle (October 1836-January 1839) I was
quite orthodox, and I remember being heartily laughed at by several of the officers (though
themselves orthodox) for quoting the Bible as an unanswerable authority on some point of morality. I suppose it was the novelty of the argument that amused them. But I had gradually come, by this
time, to see that the Old Testament; from its manifestly false history of the world, with the Tower of Babel, the rainbow as a sign, etc., etc., and from its attributing to God the feelings of a revengeful tyrant, was no more to be trusted than the sacred books of the Hindoos, or the beliefs of any barbarian." p.85
"By further reflecting that the clearest evidence would be requisite to make any sane man believe
in the miracles by which Christianity is supported, --that the more we know of the fixed laws of
nature the more incredible, do miracles become, --that the men at that time were ignorant and
credulous to a degree almost incomprehensible by us, --that the Gospels cannot be proved to
have been written simultaneously with the events, --that they differ in many important details, far
too important as it seemed to me to be admitted as the usual inaccuracies of eyewitness; --by such reflections as these, which I give not as having the least novelty or value, but as they influenced
me, I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation. The fact that many false
religions have spread over large portions of the earth like wild-fire had some weight with me.
Beautiful as is the morality of the New Testament, it can hardly be denied that its perfection
depends in part on the interpretation which we now put on metaphors and allegories." p86
"Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but at last was complete. The rate was so slow
that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion
was correct." p.87
"I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so the plain
language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my
Father, Brother and almost all my best friends, will be everlastingly punished. And this is a
damnable doctrine." p87
The Design Argument "The old argument of design in nature, as given by Paley, which formerly
seemed to me so conclusive, fails, now that the law of natural selection had been discovered. We can no longer argue that, for instance, the beautiful hinge of a bivalve shell must have been made by an intelligent being, like the hinge of a door by man. There seems to be no more design in the variability of organic beings and in the action of natural selection, than in the course which the
wind blows. Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws." p.87
Existence Of Suffering
"That there is much suffering in the world no one disputes. Some have attempted to explain this
in reference to man by imagining that it serves for his moral improvement. But the number of
men in the world is as nothing compared with that of all the other sentient beings, and these other
suffer greatly without any moral improvement. A being so powerful and so full of knowledge as
a God who could create the universe, is to our finite minds omnipotent and omniscient, and it
revolts our understanding to suppose his benevolence is not unbounded, for what advantage can
there be in the sufferings of millions of the lower animals throughout almost endless time? This
very old argument from the existence of suffering against the existence of an intelligent first cause seems to me a strong one; whereas, as just remarked, the presence of much suffering agrees well with the view that all organic beings have developed through variation and natural selection." p.90
The Existence Of God
"At the present day (ca. 1872) the most usual argument for the existence of an intelligent God is
drawn from the deep inward conviction and feelings which are experienced by moat persons. But
it cannot be doubted that Hindoos, Mahomadans and others might argue in the same manner and
with equal force in favor of the existence of one God, or of many Gods, or as with the Buddists
of no God...This argument would be a valid one if all men of all races had the same inward
conviction of the existence of one God: but we know that this is very far from being the case.
Therefore I cannot see that such inward convictions and feelings are of any weight as evidence of
what really exists." p.91
"Nor must we overlook the probability of the constant inculcation in a belief in God on the minds
of children producing so strong and perhaps as inherited effect on their brains not yet fully
developed, that it would be as difficult for them to throw off their belief in God, as for a monkey
to throw off its instinctive fear and hatred of a snake." p.93
* * * * *
Suggested Reading:
Darwin, Charles. The Autobiography of Charles Darwin with original omissions restored.
New York, Norton, 1969.
Brent, Peter. Charles Darwin. New York, Harper and Row, 1981.
Dawkins, Richard, The Blind Watchmaker, W.W. Norton Company, New York, London,
1987. This is one of the best books explaining evolution and it includes evolution software.
Golde, Pete, Darwin: Multimedia CD-ROM for MACs and PCs, Lightbinders, Inc. San
Francisco, CA (415) 621-5746.
dont you think that it is stupid when you hear the dubs say that all appointments are made by the jehovahs holy spirit?.
how many times have you heard of elders/ms etc.
that were commiting all sorts of wrong doings while at the same time serving and passing judgement on others.. i remember when i was appointed ms there was a brother that was appointed at the same time, that accepted the assignment and served for almost a year before they found out he was commiting adultery all the while.. then you have the pedophiles that operate within the congregation some being elders etc.. i know for a fact that i could be a fornicator/drug user/closet queer/ are anything bad and keep it secret and i could move up the ranks as high as i pleased.. hell i could even be a undercover apostate/fornicator/all of the above and still get appointed if i kissed enough ass.. i could pioneer and lie about the hours,they would never figure it out.
Dont you think that it is stupid when you hear the Dubs say that all appointments are made by the Jehovahs Holy Spirit?
How many times have you heard of Elders/MS etc. that were commiting all sorts of wrong doings while at the same time serving and passing judgement on others.
I remember when I was appointed MS there was a brother that was appointed at the same time, that accepted the assignment and served for almost a year before they found out he was commiting adultery all the while.
Then you have the pedophiles that operate within the congregation some being elders etc.
I know for a fact that I could be a fornicator/drug user/closet queer/ are anything bad and keep it secret and I could move up the ranks as high as I pleased.
Hell I could even be a undercover apostate/fornicator/all of the above and still get appointed if I kissed enough ass.
I could pioneer and lie about the hours,they would never figure it out. Who starts any bible studys anyways. According to my last survey 99.9% of us came in from family brain washing.
Anyways I just had to let off some steam.
adam and eve.
most people are probably familiar with the story of adam and eve in the garden of eden.
also, most people consider it to be just a story.
Rex
What it boils down to is this thing that is called religion. Which in my opinion is the worst thing that could have ever have been put upon this earth due to the many horrible things that have been done in the name of religion.
If there was a God that wanted his creation to serve him in truth I would think that the facts would have been presented a little more precise then that of mere interputations of man.
Math is precise 1+1=2 there is no interputations to that.
Math is not even important to ones salvation. So I would hope that a message from above in the form of a book would be more precise.
However it is not, it is very un-precise and is full of flaws.
Those who believe in their truth -- the only ones whose imprint is retained by the memory of men -- leave the earth behind them strewn with corpses. Religions number in their ledgers more murders than the bloodiest tyrannies account for, and those whom humanity has called divine far surpass the most conscientious murderers in their thirst for slaughter.
There are people who read too much: bibliobibuli. I know some who are constantly drunk on books, as other men are drunk on whiskey or religion. They wander through this most diverting and stimulating of worlds in a haze, seeing nothing and hearing nothing.
The Bible knows nothing of solitary religion.
Religions are the great fairy tales of conscience.
History, is made up of the bad actions of extraordinary men and woman. All the most noted destroyers and deceivers of our species, all the founders of arbitrary governments and false religions have been extraordinary people; and nine tenths of the calamities that have befallen the human race had no other origin than the union of high intelligence with low desires.
A myth is a religion in which no one any longer believes.
jesus was born in the occupied palestine while the roman empire was still in full expansion.
the romans were interested, in the short term, to win the support of the local ruling dynasties.
in palestine the greatest threat to the romans came from the zealots.
When you were born your parents probally said you were the best looking baby they had ever seen.
I do not believe that is true.
They also probally lied about how much you weighed are something else about you that was blown out of proportion.
Getting rid of a delusion makes us wiser than getting hold of a truth.